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Totally understand and here's the advice if ZERO caffeine is the goal:

Alpha GPC preworkout only and Lecithin granuals every day:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha-GPC

Now don't go crazy and pay for super duper double synergized sublingual intrinsic co-factor Alpha GPC. Get something like this from NOW:

https://www.nowfoods.com/Products/061191.htm

Lecithin is dirt cheap and found in abundance in MassPro. So if you're using that you're most likely covered. Just another reason why I like AskMass's product so much...

What about Body Octane and/or Clout (both from MAN Sports)?

Glucuronolactone helps with mood, ALCAR has positive effects on training just as LCLT... looks a very good option for a non-stim preworkout combo still having some neurotransmitters.

Are there problems that I did not look at? Maybe creatine from orotine, but im not sure.

Either of those would be fine. Good thinking my man..

Have not used but heard good things..

I used body octane and thought it was fine. It tastes fine also.

Steve