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Only 25% of daily consumption should be protein? Any reason to this unconventionally low ratio?

Not being a smart ass - but
Have you read the books? 2.0 and 3.0? Multiple times??

In 2.0 it says 1.5g of protein per pound of bodyweight. In 3.0 it says 25% ratio of protein. Both are during the feast phase.

1.5g of protein is 900 calories for me, which means my total calories must be 3600 according to the ratio.

So that doesnt make sense

visualisation wrote:In 2.0 it says 1.5g of protein per pound of bodyweight. In 3.0 it says 25% ratio of protein. Both are during the feast phase.

1.5g of protein is 900 calories for me, which means my total calories must be 3600 according to the ratio.

So that doesnt make sense

Well, 3.0 is the newest version containing the most up to date info...I believe the 25% recommendation is utilizing KA because it works more along the lines of a nutrient partitioner and glucose storer in the muscle meaning its more effective with a higher carb based diet. If using Ebol it works along a more protein based pathway so u might want to up protrin percentage...just what I got from reading some stuff in forums and thru conversations with Rob...

Thanks for that. I hope to get a confirmation from the man himself

Also, any explanation for individuals gaining 6-9 lbs of muscle each cycle when calorie intake is only slightly above maintenance (book says 20 x bodyweight for a few days beginning feast), which is 500 calorie surplus for me. Other days are either at maintenance or decreasing in surplus (as stated in the book). Overall, it does not seem there is enough of a surplus for us to even gain that much muscle. Can someone shed some light on this please?

visualisation wrote:In 2.0 it says 1.5g of protein per pound of bodyweight. In 3.0 it says 25% ratio of protein. Both are during the feast phase.

1.5g of protein is 900 calories for me, which means my total calories must be 3600 according to the ratio.

So that doesnt make sense

900 calories worth of protein = 225g

Anything far beyond that for your typical trained 200lb male is really unnecessary when in such a great caloric surplus

visualisation wrote:Thanks for that. I hope to get a confirmation from the man himself

Also, any explanation for individuals gaining 6-9 lbs of muscle each cycle when calorie intake is only slightly above maintenance (book says 20 x bodyweight for a few days beginning feast), which is 500 calorie surplus for me. Other days are either at maintenance or decreasing in surplus (as stated in the book). Overall, it does not seem there is enough of a surplus for us to even gain that much muscle. Can someone shed some light on this please?

Yup, it is due precisely to the nature of ecdysterone. The Russian scientists who experimented with it, found it works best following caloric deficits when it drastically up-regulates protein synthesis, and does the same even if in a caloric deficit. In fact, farmers utilize ecdysterone in their animals feed because they grow faster than normal even while they are fed less.

Ecdysterone has gotten a bad rap in large part because most people attempt to use it like a steroid(8 weeks on, 4 weeks off, etc). It needs to be utilized in a very specific way to optimize gains, and Rob and the BP nailed it, IMHO...

I would follow the 3.0 Tracker as it does a pretty good job at giving you precisely what you need when you need it. Week 5 and 6 are 80% of maintenance on non-training days, and 100% of maintenance on training days.

What will blow your mind even more is that I followed the Eat, Stop, Eat recommendation of alternate day fasting for a good portion of my feast run, which consisted of two 24 hour fasts(Tuesdays and Fridays) and gained a full inch on my arms, 1.5 inches on my chest and lost 1.5 inches on my waist while dropping 5 lbs...pretty amazing stuff Rob has here, if I do say so myself...

matter2003 wrote:

visualisation wrote:Thanks for that. I hope to get a confirmation from the man himself

Also, any explanation for individuals gaining 6-9 lbs of muscle each cycle when calorie intake is only slightly above maintenance (book says 20 x bodyweight for a few days beginning feast), which is 500 calorie surplus for me. Other days are either at maintenance or decreasing in surplus (as stated in the book). Overall, it does not seem there is enough of a surplus for us to even gain that much muscle. Can someone shed some light on this please?

Yup, it is due precisely to the nature of ecdysterone. The Russian scientists who experimented with it, found it works best following caloric deficits when it drastically up-regulates protein synthesis, and does the same even if in a caloric deficit. In fact, farmers utilize ecdysterone in their animals feed because they grow faster than normal even while they are fed less.

Ecdysterone has gotten a bad rap in large part because most people attempt to use it like a steroid(8 weeks on, 4 weeks off, etc). It needs to be utilized in a very specific way to optimize gains, and Rob and the BP nailed it, IMHO...

I would follow the 3.0 Tracker as it does a pretty good job at giving you precisely what you need when you need it. Week 5 and 6 are 80% of maintenance on non-training days, and 100% of maintenance on training days.

What will blow your mind even more is that I followed the Eat, Stop, Eat recommendation of alternate day fasting for a good portion of my feast run, which consisted of two 24 hour fasts(Tuesdays and Fridays) and gained a full inch on my arms, 1.5 inches on my chest and lost 1.5 inches on my waist while dropping 5 lbs...pretty amazing stuff Rob has here, if I do say so myself...

Thanks man!

It's true. It tooks YEARS of me looking at the former Soviet research, hundreds (if not thousands) of Ecdy logs here to arrive at one startling conclusion: It (Ecdy), was being used all wrong here...

This was further validated when I approached the trainers, scientists and athletes using the stuff successfully. You simply can't use a non-hormonal product in a hormonal "cycle like" fashion. It will not magically "transform" it, into something that does the work for you.

Rather, it takes one to "set the table" so to speak, to wring the adaptogenic properties out of Ecdy.

Get that right, and you have GOLD...

RobRegish wrote:

matter2003 wrote:

visualisation wrote:Thanks for that. I hope to get a confirmation from the man himself

Also, any explanation for individuals gaining 6-9 lbs of muscle each cycle when calorie intake is only slightly above maintenance (book says 20 x bodyweight for a few days beginning feast), which is 500 calorie surplus for me. Other days are either at maintenance or decreasing in surplus (as stated in the book). Overall, it does not seem there is enough of a surplus for us to even gain that much muscle. Can someone shed some light on this please?

Yup, it is due precisely to the nature of ecdysterone. The Russian scientists who experimented with it, found it works best following caloric deficits when it drastically up-regulates protein synthesis, and does the same even if in a caloric deficit. In fact, farmers utilize ecdysterone in their animals feed because they grow faster than normal even while they are fed less.

Ecdysterone has gotten a bad rap in large part because most people attempt to use it like a steroid(8 weeks on, 4 weeks off, etc). It needs to be utilized in a very specific way to optimize gains, and Rob and the BP nailed it, IMHO...

I would follow the 3.0 Tracker as it does a pretty good job at giving you precisely what you need when you need it. Week 5 and 6 are 80% of maintenance on non-training days, and 100% of maintenance on training days.

What will blow your mind even more is that I followed the Eat, Stop, Eat recommendation of alternate day fasting for a good portion of my feast run, which consisted of two 24 hour fasts(Tuesdays and Fridays) and gained a full inch on my arms, 1.5 inches on my chest and lost 1.5 inches on my waist while dropping 5 lbs...pretty amazing stuff Rob has here, if I do say so myself...

Thanks man!

It's true. It tooks YEARS of me looking at the former Soviet research, hundreds (if not thousands) of Ecdy logs here to arrive at one startling conclusion: It (Ecdy), was being used all wrong here...

This was further validated when I approached the trainers, scientists and athletes using the stuff successfully. You simply can't use a non-hormonal product in a hormonal "cycle like" fashion. It will not magically "transform" it, into something that does the work for you.

Rather, it takes one to "set the table" so to speak, to wring the adaptogenic properties out of Ecdy.

Get that right, and you have GOLD...

Thank you Rob. Appreciated.

RobRegish wrote:

matter2003 wrote:

visualisation wrote:Thanks for that. I hope to get a confirmation from the man himself

Also, any explanation for individuals gaining 6-9 lbs of muscle each cycle when calorie intake is only slightly above maintenance (book says 20 x bodyweight for a few days beginning feast), which is 500 calorie surplus for me. Other days are either at maintenance or decreasing in surplus (as stated in the book). Overall, it does not seem there is enough of a surplus for us to even gain that much muscle. Can someone shed some light on this please?

Yup, it is due precisely to the nature of ecdysterone. The Russian scientists who experimented with it, found it works best following caloric deficits when it drastically up-regulates protein synthesis, and does the same even if in a caloric deficit. In fact, farmers utilize ecdysterone in their animals feed because they grow faster than normal even while they are fed less.

Ecdysterone has gotten a bad rap in large part because most people attempt to use it like a steroid(8 weeks on, 4 weeks off, etc). It needs to be utilized in a very specific way to optimize gains, and Rob and the BP nailed it, IMHO...

I would follow the 3.0 Tracker as it does a pretty good job at giving you precisely what you need when you need it. Week 5 and 6 are 80% of maintenance on non-training days, and 100% of maintenance on training days.

What will blow your mind even more is that I followed the Eat, Stop, Eat recommendation of alternate day fasting for a good portion of my feast run, which consisted of two 24 hour fasts(Tuesdays and Fridays) and gained a full inch on my arms, 1.5 inches on my chest and lost 1.5 inches on my waist while dropping 5 lbs...pretty amazing stuff Rob has here, if I do say so myself...

Thanks man!

It's true. It tooks YEARS of me looking at the former Soviet research, hundreds (if not thousands) of Ecdy logs here to arrive at one startling conclusion: It (Ecdy), was being used all wrong here...

This was further validated when I approached the trainers, scientists and athletes using the stuff successfully. You simply can't use a non-hormonal product in a hormonal "cycle like" fashion. It will not magically "transform" it, into something that does the work for you.

Rather, it takes one to "set the table" so to speak, to wring the adaptogenic properties out of Ecdy.

Get that right, and you have GOLD...

Rob I am not a believer in caloric decrements, I preferentially lower carbs.So what I mean is I follow 3.0 but in carb intake, not calorie decrements intake.Does that make sense and will it work the same way to get the max effects out of ecdy and 3.0?

Edit: And if I was to increase ecdy dosage and start lowering carb intake at week 6 instead of week 3 would that mean I missed the boat for the better benefits?

visualisation wrote:Thanks for that. I hope to get a confirmation from the man himself

Also, any explanation for individuals gaining 6-9 lbs of muscle each cycle when calorie intake is only slightly above maintenance (book says 20 x bodyweight for a few days beginning feast), which is 500 calorie surplus for me. Other days are either at maintenance or decreasing in surplus (as stated in the book). Overall, it does not seem there is enough of a surplus for us to even gain that much muscle. Can someone shed some light on this please?

Two comments, without letting the dove out of the cape...

1. 3.0's training template pairing Static Contraction Training and in particular, Escalating Density Training (EDT), uses a TREMENDOUS amount of glycogen (stored carbohydrate). Had I dictated a higher percentage of protein, there wouldn't be as much glycogen available, and your body would be training itself to burn protein as fuel.

This is costly, inefficient and throws off whole lotta' metabolic waste you don't need (think, urea).

2. Total protein grams/day is FAR less important than protein timing/quality. The way I go about this, is to give you exactly what you NEED, where and when you NEED it. Nothing more, nothing less.

The fact people are gaining 1lb of LBM per week on maintenance (and in most cases, sub-maintenance calories) when looked at over any period of time (days, weeks etc)?

"They" said it couldn't be done. I say otherwise. In fact, it's not only possible - it's happening. Right now, today people are gaining LBM at an astounding rate, simultaneously stripping an equal or greater amount of bodyfat and all the while setting new PR's left and right.

Matter203 is doing it, BlakeSwan is doing it, Josue Cordeau is doing it - I could go on and on. If you look back on this very board, I foreshadowed all of this on Sunday, February 20th;

3.0 Update: It's coming...
https://bodybuildingsupplements.com/ ... php?t=1183

I typed that from a hotel room, one snowy weekend when my future was very much in doubt. In many ways, it still is.

I will tell you this though: When I'm in my wheelhouse, I deliver.

I knew 3.0 would eclipse 2.0, stated as much in that thread - telling the world it would do so by a mile. I'm no fortune teller, but I believe in myself, my destiny and am confident in my (and your) success when it's in my hands.

I made 3.0's bed. It's my hope you'll lie in it, because to die in it - is the crime....

visualisation wrote:Thanks for that. I hope to get a confirmation from the man himself

Also, any explanation for individuals gaining 6-9 lbs of muscle each cycle when calorie intake is only slightly above maintenance (book says 20 x bodyweight for a few days beginning feast), which is 500 calorie surplus for me. Other days are either at maintenance or decreasing in surplus (as stated in the book). Overall, it does not seem there is enough of a surplus for us to even gain that much muscle. Can someone shed some light on this please?

Two comments, without letting the dove out of the cape...

1. 3.0's training template pairing Static Contraction Training and in particular, Escalating Density Training (EDT), uses a TREMENDOUS amount of glycogen (stored carbohydrate). Had I dictated a higher percentage of protein, there wouldn't be as much glycogen available, and your body would be training itself to burn protein as fuel.

This is costly, inefficient and throws off whole lotta' metabolic waste you don't need (think, urea).

2. Total protein grams/day is FAR less important than protein timing/quality. The way I go about this, is to give you exactly what you NEED, where and when you NEED it. Nothing more, nothing less.

The fact people are gaining 1lb of LBM per week on maintenance (and in most cases, sub-maintenance calories) when looked at over any period of time (days, weeks etc)?

"They" said it couldn't be done. I say otherwise. In fact, it's not only possible - it's happening. Right now, today people are gaining LBM at an astounding rate, simultaneously stripping an equal or greater amount of bodyfat and all the while setting new PR's left and right.

Matter203 is doing it, BlakeSwan is doing it, Josue Cordeau is doing it - I could go on and on. If you look back on this very board, I foreshadowed all of this on Sunday, February 20th;

3.0 Update: It's coming...
https://bodybuildingsupplements.com/ ... php?t=1183[/b]

I typed that from a hotel room, one snowy weekend when my future was very much in doubt. In many ways, it still is.

I will tell you this though: When I'm in my wheelhouse, I deliver.

I knew 3.0 would eclipse 2.0, stated as much in that thread - telling the world it would do so by a mile. I'm no fortune teller, but I believe in myself, my destiny and am confident in my (and your) success when it's in my hands.

I made 3.0's bed. It's my hope you'll lie in it, because to die in it - is the crime....